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        Accepting Deliverance?, GAIDEN
What does a person do when they have not accepted Jesus's deliverances. Theres a verse that says something like, those not accepting deliverance were tortured... 
Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:14:14 PM   guest
      re:Accepting Deliverance?, GAIDEN   
As you can see, God has delivered me, and I don't know why he wouldn't delivier you??

My Life

I have always lived with persistent mental illness. My parents and I have prayed for deliverance from my persistent mental illness, however God has not seen fit to deliver me from my illnesses. Maybe God has something better for me than a life free from pain?
I remember as a small child in my bedroom I wished upon many stars to delight God. I had no clue as to how to do this and for many years I worked hard to “be a good little boy.” I could not be good enough especially with my illnesses.
At home I sometimes got angry with my only sister and there was a time or two I tried to kill her. When I entered junior high school, I was tormented as usual. My solution was to bring a small knife to school and insert it into one of my many tormentors. This landed me into a mental institution. Thank God I was not jailed.
When my mother drove me in the mental institution, she told me that God loved me and she would too. I did not believe her because hadn't you noticed I had attempted to murder someone, thus breaking one of the Big Ten Commandments according to Jesus Christ, my God.
When I returned home I still wanted to commit suicide. I wanted to run away from God. I thought there was nothing left except Hell for me because, if you didn’t notice, I blew it. At that moment I thought I was beyond being reconciled with God.
My mother had a conversation with me about God one day soon after I got out of the hospital. She talked about [Jeremiah 31.31-33]. Jeremiah talked about God writing his laws upon my heart. Also she talked about “(God will) provide for those who grieve in Zion—to bestow on them a crown of beauty instead of ashes, the oil of gladness instead of mourning, and, and a garment of praise instead of a spirit of despair.” She also shared with me for the 1,000th time the plan of salvation. What interested me about Jesus at this time was “a garment of praise instead of a spirit of despair.” I trusted God as best I could a couple of days later. I was baptized in Richardson Heights Baptist Church in 1986 or maybe ’87. (I don’t remember clearly.)
God led me to a Christian therapist who brought the redemptive plan of Christ alive into my life. Also, he helped me with my persistent mental illness and anger problems.
Many times since then I have been in tight spots where the LORD comes through for me when I obey Him, (and sometimes even when I don’t). God truly is longsuffering. I have been able to forgive doctors that brain damaged me, literally. I have been able to forgive and give a measure of love that is supernatural to all sorts of people in my life. I grieve when I hear about people being abused by their caretakers.
Many blessings God has and will grant me in my life. I drive a car; I maintain an apartment; I go to groups to keep me from going back to the mental institutions I so easily could fall back into. One thing bothers me although; I can not seem to serve God in a way I think I should serve God. Maybe it is only my perception?
God has taken away the demons whom once lived inside my head (the demons of anger, confusion, and torment) and replaced them with relative calm and peace and joy
God has done open-heart surgery on me and changed me for the better. Never once has he cut to deep, although at times He has cut very deep. God truly is the “Great Physician”.
I don’t know if I will ever in this life become free from the curse of persistent mental illness, but God will take care of me, “for who can prove God a liar.” However, “by His stripes,” He has saved me from the curse of anger, sin, and torment and given me peace and calm instead. 
Sunday, December 07, 2003 2:26:26 AM methomas

changed on Monday, December 08, 2003 1:43:56 AM

      re:Accepting Deliverance?, GAIDEN   
...skeets. that passage isn't referring to people who do not accept Jesus' deliverance.

That's a treatise on the examples of people of great faith in the Old Testament. Please read it, and this time, read the whole chapter.

That part about women receiving back their dead refers to the widow whose son was resurrected. It's the story concerning Elijah. (1 Kg 17)

That part about torture was about Daniel, and other prophets, who were martyred and persecuted for what they believed in, but held fast to the faith. 
Monday, September 22, 2003 3:26:19 AM gaidin
      re:Accepting Deliverance?, GAIDEN   
Heb 11:35 
Saturday, September 20, 2003 9:50:54 PM skeets
      re:Accepting Deliverance?, GAIDEN   
Mercy... was this directed for me...? two years ago... and i missed it completely...

By 'deliverance', do you mean 'salvation'? As in, 'deliverance from sin'?

Here's the scope.
First, read (Romans 7). This is a picture of everyone on Earth who has not received or heard of Christ. People under the law of sin and death.

Then, read (Romans 8). This is a picture of everyone on Earth who had received and accepted that 'deliverance' you're talking about.

Your concern is likely based on (Romans 2:8). Correct me if I'm mistaken.

That passage refers to those who know, were in fact waiting for that very thing, and have the greatest capacity to understand, but just plain refuse to accept.

Yep. Torture may help them, like Paul's experience; it may actually be a way to save them. Otherwise, they're headed for eternal suffering. 
Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:11:19 PM gaidin
      re:Accepting Deliverance?, GAIDEN   
Actually, most verses tell us that people are already tormented ...

[Matthew 4:24]
and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.

[Mark 5:2-5]
2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.

We do not become tormented because we did not accept deliverance. People who need deliverance are already being tormented in their present state.

[Matthew 18:32-34]
32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

We see in the verse above a story of someone who had his debt forgiven by his master who did not in turn forgive his own debtors. In the end, he was delivered to the tormentors. I'm not sure whether you meant this verse. When we are not willing to forgive others and dwell in bitterness, we subject ourselves to evil spirits who will torment us and take advantage of our situation. We have a choice, either to ask God for assistance to deliver us or to continue in our present state.

If a person does not want to be delivered, we just need to pray for the person, or counsel the person, or get the person to go for inner healing sessions with Christian counsellors. Sometimes, we may just allow the person to go through professional medical treatment. God also uses doctors and other people. 
Thursday, July 05, 2001 10:02:10 AM waihun
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