changed on Thursday, January 06, 2000 4:46:28 AM

In the context of this scripture I'm not sure they are talking about women in the church body.Also the word [usurp] authority, meaning to take authority to one's self.Not to take to yourself authority over the man.In the body of christ authority is only valid as given by those in authority over us. In the home God has placed the man in authority and he is responsiable for the families spiritual welfare.
[Galations 3:28] says there is neither male nor female in the eyes of God.
[Acts 3:17-18] tells us that in the last days he will pour out his Spirit on all flesh,ie your daughters shall prophesy.
[1 Corinthians 11:5] Teaches that every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head.
Please read this entire chapter, because the 16th verse says that if any man seem to be contentious we have no such custom, neither in the churches of God." the custom of covering their head was not a commandment.My point being if paul was telling women to be quiet in the church it would be a contridiction since he also said they could prophesy in the church.
So I believe in 1 Timothy 2:12 he was speaking of a home relationship.Or taking authority that had not been given by those in positon to give it. 

changed on Monday, June 25, 2001 3:18:43 PM

Just found another interesting piece of scripture:
[Romans 16:1-3]
I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant [i] of the church which is at Cenchrea:
2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.
3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:

[i] in NIV there is a footnote to this ... servant was called deaconess

Paul called these women fellow workers and his helpers and deaconess. 

it teaches that men "are to be the head,"they need to be ,women really don't won't to be ,it's "usually" caus they are stuck cause the man won't.This of course is in general."ruling"as Christ rules -in love,teaches,does good,lay hands on the sick,not laying a hand on you,many womem also run things casue their men won't it also shows deacons to rule their wife not other wives. they hav no authority over others,they have authority over the enemy in other's doing wrong or being attacked [Luke 9:1] 

May I suggest that you read a book entitleted "What Paul Really Said About Women" by John Temple Bristow. He give a very good and liberating explanation. It is also important to take Timothy in it's historical context as there are other places, such as Romans, where Paul uplifts women as leaders of the Church. 

I've been asking questions about 1 Timothy 2:12, about women being leaders over men. I've also been reading web-sites about why women should not be in leadership. What I believe is that women can be in leadership. And I do agree that we need to read this passage in context.

Although I don't fully understand the context of this passage [1 Timothy 2:12] but I believe that the answer can be found here:

[John 5:36]
(But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me. )

There are many women leaders now in many churches. They are doing great works. Look at some of the evangelists or women of God such as Kathryn Kuhlman and Marilyn Hickey. We know that God is working through them. So, who testifies to this, that women can teach and be leaders even of men: I believe the works that the Father has done through them. Our God in heaven who does great works through their hands have given us the witness to this issue. 

changed on Saturday, January 08, 2000 10:54:13 AM